Dear brothers and sisters

Attached her is a conversation between me and a Saudi big Engineer occurred
almost a week ago.

It was a very good opportunity and got wasted.

I'm glad I lost it cause I'm Christian, however I'm so sad I lost a very good job.

Please read it and tell me all your opinion cause I'm very troubled and demoralized now.

Waiting for your replies.

Jesus bless you always and keep praying for me hard.

+AMIR+

Amir is a young engineer from Egypt. From his letter it is clear that he is a Civil Engineer who is trained in structural analysis and a user of the state-of-the-art tools, SAP90, for his trade. He would be a desirable candidate for work in his field. So, he tries to find a job in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA), a country that is always seeking engineers and technologists to build up the desert state with the largest Oil revenue a country is able to generate anywhere today. What happened is not unexpected, but it is very disgusting. 

A Saudi job recruiter tries to convert Amir to Islam in order to give him a job as structural design engineer for ~$1,000.00 per month. What a cheap trick that Saudi Zealot is employing to gain a convert to Islam. We in the West should learn from the Saudi's and try to convert all the people from the Moslem Nations (57 Countries) to Christianity and Judaism by force. The going rate for an Engineering Job in the USA is ~$60,000.00 per year. That is ~$5,000.00 per months. Five times what that Saudi prejudice Zealot is offering. Even if you are taxed at 51% (That includes Federal, State, Local, and Social Security), they will get ~$3,000.00 per months, three times what the Saudi Zealot is offering for conversion.

I even have a better idea. In Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf States, a foreign worker has to have a sponsor ('Kafeil'). The sponsor gets a cut of his salary, holds his passport, and watches over every movement he makes. I propose that we in the West start treating all the people from Islamic Countries the same way. We will assign 'Kafeils' for them. Their Kafeils will hold their passport, get a 20% cut of everything they make, and watch them like hawks. If this was implemented 2 years ago, we would not have had 911. You never hear of a terrorist act in the Arabian Peninsula caused by a foreign terrorist. It is all acts committed by fanatic Moslems.

The following is some of the response Amir received from the Christian community that reads arbible@zeitun.org

God Bless us all.


Amir:
 
We have a physician here in St. Louis, he is now in his mid 70's who worked as a private physician for one of the Amir's ya Amir in KSA in the late 40's and early 50's. He was pressured all the time he was there to convert to Islam. One time the pressure was so hard, he almost converted, but at the last minute he escaped on a merchant ship (freighter) leaving behind everything he made. It was his decision to loose everything for the sake of Christ our Lord, and here are the rewards our Lord promised:
 
Mark 10
28Then Peter began to say to Him, "See, we have left all and followed You."
29So Jesus answered and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[1] or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel's, 30who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time--houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions--and in the age to come, eternal life.
It would have been a lousy job anyway, and as Dr. Ramzy Labib said your are better off.
 
God Bless us ALL.
 
William Hanna ('massehy ya-beh? Another story for another day)
St. Louis, Missouri
 
Dear Amir:
I read the whole conversation. You got a blessing by loosing this opportunity. This person does not seriously need you, and you don't need him. Thank God. You will find the job that you need and that you will be happy with. The Lord that you honored is the almighty that loves you, and St. Paul who knew Him very well says to you:
"And we know that ALL THINGS work together FOR GOOD to the that love God" (Rom. 8:28).
Sincerely,
(Dr.) Ramzy Labib

Hello Amir......my name is Mireille from canada...I red your e-mail...I feel soooooo proud of you behaviour and attittude towards this saudi arabian and his fanatic  atittude..but..remember..that OUR SAVIOUR the KING of all KINGS our Lord JESUS CHRIST ...will always be with you....never mind loosing such a job...just wait for God's great reward to you.....your great outstanding to his MADNESS was great.....this is not the first situation I heard  about...many Christians they REFUSE such a blackmail, however, but many others they ACCEPT for the sake of money....anyway....is enough for you that you maintained your  CHRISTIANITY, and your PRIDE above any materialistic. May the Lord bless you forever


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Dear Eng. Amir,

 

You did the right thing, there is no doubt about that.

I know how you feel because of loosing that opportunity which appears so bright. However, it may not be the truth.

 

I'm not telling you those words to make you feel better, but because my father worked in that country for 3 years & they were nightmare years.

 

Every Christian there is always asked that question of becoming a Moslem (either using temptation or with pressure).

 

My father was a surgeon, his salary supposed to be high but the sponsor (al-kafeel) in arabic paid him barely to live their. From the other hand, if you know their system, the sponsor keeps the passports, so if an employee wants to go anywhere, should have the sponsor's permission first.

Their legal system will not be at your side at all, because according to "Shari3a" you are foreigner & Christian.

 

Finally, dad came back to Egypt miraculously & without extra pennies.

 

So, I wanna tell you that I believe that Jesus saved you from an overwhelming horrible experience or bad sponsor & you don't know.

 

Thus, you should thank god & don't feel bad.

 

God knows what you want & what the best is for you.

May god guide you;

 

Reham  


hi amir                                              
god bless u amir amd i think god will send u the best
job
--- Eng Amir <amir_consultant@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello Amir......I believe that this e-mail covered everything....don't you think so??????? million thanks for our great sender....thanks for your great answers and input fron the Holy Bible.  May the Lord bless you and yours forever........

Waziz@aol.com wrote:
Amir:
 
It should not come as a surprise to you that you were discriminated against by a Moslem Zealot!
 
The alternative could have been a bigger disaster for you if you went their and was pressured beyond your human ability to convert to Islam. Here are some verses that might be of spiritual help to you. Knowing you over the Internet, I expect you to think deeply about it and come back with what we expect your reaction will be: "We thank you O Lord for all conditions, in all conditions, and upon all conditions."
 
St. Paul about situations like this one said: "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."
(Whole Chapter: Romans 8 In context: Romans 8:27-29)
 
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things.(Whole Chapter: Philippians 4 In context: Philippians 4:7-9). So please donot dwell on this bad experience.
 
But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.(Whole Chapter: 1 Timothy 6 In context: 1 Timothy 6:10-12) So what if I did not get a job that had stings attached in a rotten kingdom that has been the anti-christ for 1400 years?
 
For God gives wisdom and knowledge and joy to a man who is good in His sight; but to the sinner He gives the work of gathering and collecting, that he may give to him who is good before God. This also is vanity and grasping for the wind. (Whole Chapter: Ecclesiastes 2 In context: Ecclesiastes 2:25-27) The words of King Solomon the wisest and most honored king.
 
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (Whole Chapter: 1 John 2 In context: 1 John 2:14-16)
 
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
(Whole Chapter: Matthew 7 In context: Matthew 7:10-12) God will care for you always.
 
"But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
(Whole Chapter: Luke 6 In context: Luke 6:26-28). So, we have to be careful not to return hate for hatred or anger for insult! Easy said, hard to do alone, but through Christ our Lord: "Nothing is Impossible."
 
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart[12:35 NU-Text and M-Text omit [of his heart.] ] brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. (Whole Chapter: Matthew 12 In context: Matthew 12:34-36). Be the former not the latter, the good man, not the evil.
 
But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.
(Whole Chapter: Colossians 3 In context: Colossians 3:13-15)
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,[5:44 NU-Text omits three clauses from this verse, leaving, ["But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."] ]
(Whole Chapter: Matthew 5 In context: Matthew 5:43-45)

"But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. (Whole Chapter: Luke 6 In context: Luke 6:31-33)

being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; (Whole Chapter: Philippians 1 In context: Philippians 1:5-7)
His lord said to him, "Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'
(Whole Chapter: Matthew 25 In context: Matthew 25:20-22). This is my hope and my prayer that all of us will hear those pleasant words from the mouth of Christ our Lord by keeping the little thing, our faith in Him.
 
that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
(Whole Chapter: Colossians 1 In context: Colossians 1:9-11)

2 Timothy 4:5
But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.  (Whole Chapter: 2 Timothy 4 In context: 2 Timothy 4:4-6)

2 Thessalonians 1:11
Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, (Whole Chapter: 2 Thessalonians 1 In context: 2 Thessalonians 1:10-12)
 
But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. (Whole Chapter: Luke 6 In context: Luke 6:34-36).
 
And Finally, "Test all things; hold fast what is good.
(Whole Chapter: 1 Thessalonians 5 In context: 1 Thessalonians 5:20-22)
 
My dear younger brother, I applaud your honesty and sincerity. I pray that every one put in your place will act the same way. I hurt inside for you and with reverend hope that God will recompense you here and in the world to come.
 
Please pray for the one and only Holy Universal Church of God everywhere. Pray for the safety of all the brothers and sisters, young and old who are being insulted, persecuted, or humiliated for the sake of the Name above all Names. Glory and Honor, Honor and Glory always be to God in His Saints. God Bless Us ALL.
 
Yours Sincerely, In Christ I remain;
 
William A. Hanna
St. Louis, Missouri

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:03:31 +0300 "Eng Amir" <amir_consultant@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> Dear brothers and sisters
>
> Attached her is a conversation between me and a Saudii big Engineer
> occured
> almost a week ago.
>
> It was a very good opportunity and got waisted.
>
> I'm glad I lost it cause I'm christian, however I'm so sad I lost a
> very
> good job.
>
> Please read it and tell me all your opinion cause I'm very troubled
> and
> demoralized now.
>
> Waiting for your replies.
>
> Jesus bless you always and keep praying for me hard.
>
> +AMIR+
>
>

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| Session Start: 07 August 2003                                      |
| Participants:                                                      |
|    ENG. AMIR (Pray for me Always) (amir_contractor@hotmail.com)    |
|    DEJALLO (dejallo@hotmail.com)                                   |
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[15:51:00] ENG. AMIR (..: Good Afternoon
[15:51:26] ENG. AMIR (..: Eng. Jallal???
[15:51:51] DEJALLO: Good day Amir Basha
[15:52:38] DEJALLO: I have send you last e- mail? containing some
   details about work and contract and I did not get an
           answer yet, have you seen it ?
[15:53:54] ENG. AMIR (..: Yes
[15:53:57] ENG. AMIR (..: I got it
[15:56:04] ENG. AMIR (..: So glad you like my work, the kind of
   work is very suitable also the place, and 1000$ is very good
           as a main salary.
[16:01:21] DEJALLO: I'm glad you accept that offer.
[16:05:09] DEJALLO: we are satisfy of you to join agroup in
           a consultig office
[16:08:57] ENG. AMIR (..: It would give me honour to join you.
[16:12:16] DEJALLO: I'll be in Cairo next Thursday,If pls call me
   (0103324780) so we can meet.
[16:15:57] ENG. AMIR (..: Of course, I will
[16:18:24] DEJALLO: The most Important feature,I am concering here is
           the ability to work as hard as trained in egyptian offices
[16:22:57] ENG. AMIR (..: Even more.
[16:26:02] DEJALLO: Hope you join our group in jeddah soon.
[16:29:16] ENG. AMIR (..: Sure
[16:32:02] DEJALLO: Time for me to go, alsallam Alaykom
[16:35:16] ENG. AMIR (..: Alf salam.

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| Session Start: 29 August 2003                                      |
| Participants:                                                      |
|    ENG. AMIR (Jesus Bless you) (amir_contractor@hotmail.com)       |
|    DEJALLO (dejallo@hotmail.com)                                   |
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[21:50:17] ENG. AMIR (..: Good evening sir
[21:51:00] DEJALLO: Good Evening Amir
[21:51:45] DEJALLO: how Are you! & Family ?
[21:52:31] ENG. AMIR (..:
[21:53:19] DEJALLO: The analysis looks so engineering, it sounds so
[21:53:49] ENG. AMIR (..: What do you mean by so engineering??
[21:53:56] ENG. AMIR (..: Define that please
[21:54:10] DEJALLO: Are u moslim, or christin
[21:54:18] ENG. AMIR (..: Christian
[21:54:37] ENG. AMIR (..: Problem??
[21:56:42] ENG. AMIR (..: Still there???
[21:58:32] DEJALLO: yes,you can not go to Mecca, when the need is so
[21:58:44] ENG. AMIR (..: I see
[22:00:07] DEJALLO: But any way, let me consult Arch Saad about it,and
           i let u know later
[22:00:37] ENG. AMIR (..: Ok
[22:01:06] DEJALLO: it would be shortly in 2 weeks time
[22:01:16] ENG. AMIR (..: Dear sir
[22:01:24] ENG. AMIR (..: You tell me 2 weeks eachtime
[22:01:34] ENG. AMIR (..: However
[22:01:50] ENG. AMIR (..: What did you mean by "so engineering"
           analysis??
[22:02:53] DEJALLO: Im about to sign the contract which enable me to
           get visas
[22:03:34] ENG. AMIR (..: God be with you
[22:03:42] DEJALLO: Good bye for now
[22:03:57] ENG. AMIR (..: One moment
[22:04:09] ENG. AMIR (..: How about the analysis I sent???
[22:04:19] ENG. AMIR (..: The SAP90 Analysis
[22:06:05] DEJALLO: Iam not familiar with sap programs,But the way of
           presentation of Moments & shear
[22:06:35] ENG. AMIR (..: And how about my work???
[22:06:40] ENG. AMIR (..: Got your admiration???
[22:07:22] DEJALLO: Yes,Since i have seen it, first of all
[22:07:38] ENG. AMIR (..: I'm glad to know that
[22:08:13] ENG. AMIR (..: I wish you contact me soon enough sir
           telling me wheather We will have work together or not
[22:08:44] ENG. AMIR (..: Some important matters should be setteled
           here if you wish me to work with you in KSA
[22:10:26] DEJALLO: If you willing to transfer to Moslem,then it will
           be the most happiest moment in my life to welcome you and i
           will cooperate with you
[22:10:42] ENG. AMIR (..: So
[22:10:47] ENG. AMIR (..: That's it
[22:11:04] ENG. AMIR (..: You're telling me we can have no work
           together
[22:11:31] ENG. AMIR (..: Ok, sir
[22:11:35] ENG. AMIR (..: Nice to meet you
[22:12:41] DEJALLO: It is not that easy to explain to you,But think
           Carefully about it, you such An Intelligent Eng
[22:13:06] ENG. AMIR (..: My religion is out of question sir
[22:13:31] ENG. AMIR (..: You'll work with me as a Christian Engineer
           or no???
[22:13:47] DEJALLO: Hope u goodluck Amir Basha